Why does Geico ask me not to reveal the limits of my liability coverage in case of a car accident?
I read on my "Evidence of Liability Insurance card" issued by Geico in California, US:
What to do at the time of an accident: […] Do not reveal the limits of your liability coverage to anyone.
Why does Geico ask me not to reveal the limits of my liability coverage in case of a car accident, and should I follow that advice?
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I read on my "Evidence of Liability Insurance card" issued by Geico in California, US:
What to do at the time of an accident: […] Do not reveal the limits of your liability coverage to anyone.
Why does Geico ask me not to reveal the limits of my liability coverage in case of a car accident, and should I follow that advice?
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This should belong in Law, it has to do with the tactics of the legal process and lawyering.
– user71659
Dec 31 '18 at 2:15
@user71659 thanks, I wasn't sure which website was the most suitable for this question, I am okay with migrating the question of there if that's on topic on law.se
– Franck Dernoncourt
Dec 31 '18 at 2:16
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I read on my "Evidence of Liability Insurance card" issued by Geico in California, US:
What to do at the time of an accident: […] Do not reveal the limits of your liability coverage to anyone.
Why does Geico ask me not to reveal the limits of my liability coverage in case of a car accident, and should I follow that advice?
united-states car insurance car-insurance liability
I read on my "Evidence of Liability Insurance card" issued by Geico in California, US:
What to do at the time of an accident: […] Do not reveal the limits of your liability coverage to anyone.
Why does Geico ask me not to reveal the limits of my liability coverage in case of a car accident, and should I follow that advice?
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edited Dec 31 '18 at 4:17
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asked Dec 31 '18 at 2:08
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This should belong in Law, it has to do with the tactics of the legal process and lawyering.
– user71659
Dec 31 '18 at 2:15
@user71659 thanks, I wasn't sure which website was the most suitable for this question, I am okay with migrating the question of there if that's on topic on law.se
– Franck Dernoncourt
Dec 31 '18 at 2:16
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This should belong in Law, it has to do with the tactics of the legal process and lawyering.
– user71659
Dec 31 '18 at 2:15
@user71659 thanks, I wasn't sure which website was the most suitable for this question, I am okay with migrating the question of there if that's on topic on law.se
– Franck Dernoncourt
Dec 31 '18 at 2:16
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This should belong in Law, it has to do with the tactics of the legal process and lawyering.
– user71659
Dec 31 '18 at 2:15
This should belong in Law, it has to do with the tactics of the legal process and lawyering.
– user71659
Dec 31 '18 at 2:15
@user71659 thanks, I wasn't sure which website was the most suitable for this question, I am okay with migrating the question of there if that's on topic on law.se
– Franck Dernoncourt
Dec 31 '18 at 2:16
@user71659 thanks, I wasn't sure which website was the most suitable for this question, I am okay with migrating the question of there if that's on topic on law.se
– Franck Dernoncourt
Dec 31 '18 at 2:16
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Negotiation 101, never be the first to say a number.
You tell them you have a $300,000 limit and magically they want $300,000. Alternatively, they may just assume you carry the minimum.
4
If you actually do have the minimum, could it hurt you to say that? Also, with a high limit, who is likely to fudge the severity of the injury -- the plaintiff, their doctor, or both? Aren't they taking a huge risk that if the suit fails (the insurance company successfully defends itself against the falsely inflated injury claim), they'll be deep in medical debt (plaintiff) or not get paid for their services (doctor)?
– nanoman
Dec 31 '18 at 3:26
3
The only reason you don't want to be the first to say a number is if the other party is about to make a big mistake which you want to accept. Otherwise, saying the first number frames the negotiation and is a good thing. If you don't think they are going to give you a silly offer you should be eager to get your number in there. But, really, that is not your problem it is GEICOs problem. They don't want you to avoid a mistake from the other side and want to control the negotiation themselves.
– Ross Millikan
Dec 31 '18 at 5:46
15
The posturing and settlement IS the defense....
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 6:55
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@nanoman, it's not about fraud and fudging the severity of anything. Its what car the person decides to rent, which body shop they pick, whether or not they decide to go to a doctor at all, whether they try to argue that they missed days of work etc. It's not about lying and fraud. When I'm spending money that might not come back I'm careful, when I'm spending your money, I don't really care how much anything costs, particularly when I KNOW you have deep pockets.
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 20:12
2
@AaronHall It's called "Anchor Bias". Not sure why admin removed my comment earlier, but it's well studied for negotiations. pon.harvard.edu/daily/negotiation-skills-daily/…
– SnakeDoc
Jan 2 at 19:17
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It isn't just GEICO that tells you this, every US car insurance company instructs their customers to not mention the amount of coverage.
Your job is not to negotiate. Your job is to collect the specified information and to hand the claim process over to the insurance company. That is also why they tell you not to admit fault.
When you start discussing the amount of coverage you have, then you are starting the process that the insurance company doesn't want you involved in. Telling them the maximum that your insurance can pay, or telling them that you only have the state mandated minimum doesn't make the job of the insurance company any easier.
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Also don't sulk, argue and/or play the blame game during an accident. Don't even talk back to an angry person, but be civil. Get the insurance company over the phone, get whatever (minimum) information the IC or the cops require and walk away. Go home and cry all you want, but don't do it in front of the other party. May sound callous but self-preservation often is.
– Mindwin
Jan 2 at 11:15
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Your answer is better than mine
– quid
Jan 2 at 23:45
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The limits of your coverage are completely irrelevant to anything you might do in a situation where your liability coverage is in play. More directly, there is nothing at all for you to gain from providing this information. Another way to look at the question is "why would you want to reveal this information?".
There probably isn't much downside to it for you, personally. Your insurer will be on the hook for any negative consequences (like inflated settlement amounts, at the margins), but your policy isn't going to retroactively change or anything. But the insurer will still want to protect its own interests to the maximum possible extent.
Your contract almost certainly establishes that every element of the settlement, and negotiations around it, will be handled by your insurer. You blurting out information in this situation wouldn't be much better than you interrupting your own lawyer in the courtroom during arguments in a trial.
As a few examples:
- Someone might see your volunteering that information as an admission
of guilt, giving them much better leverage in negotiations than if
you'd simply not said anything. - The payment sought might become higher due to knowing how much money
is "available", as per other answers here. - It's not that hard to rack up "valid" medical charges, meaning not
obviously fraudulent, like additional MRI scans because the ones
already done aren't clear enough (allegedly). This is somewhat risky (the claim may not cover those bills anyways), but it is less risky if the potential insurance payout has a higher ceiling. - The other party (or parties) might believe that they are entitled to
that amount of money, not for any rational reason but because it's the number they heard, and then becomes hard to deal with within and
outside of the insurance process. - It might simply make the settlement process longer and more tedious,
causing the insurer's money to be burned in extra administrative and
bureaucratic costs to no additional benefit to anyone. Consider the case of identifying which medical bills were reasonable and which were opportunistically grasping for more cash-- that audit isn't free. - Revealing information about your policy might suggest information
about your personal financial situation, making you a target for
additional civil litigations (whether they are frivolous or not,
you'll have to dedicate time, energy, and money to responding).
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In my state (in US), once the lawyers get involved, the parties involved are legally required to release insurance coverage info upon formal request.
Further, if it goes to trial, the jury is not allowed to know the amount of insurance.
"In my state (in US)" -> which state?
– Franck Dernoncourt
Dec 31 '18 at 19:03
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Commonwealth of MA
– master chief
Dec 31 '18 at 19:10
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I'd assume that once the lawyers get involved in any state, the relevant policies would be part of the discovery process.
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 20:09
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If you know how much money is available, you could be more willing to spend it. You might accept an expensive optional test that you would have skipped if you were paying for it. There's no upside to the other party knowing how much insurance you have. It's only going to lead to higher costs.
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All forms of insurance create perverse incentives to bill for as much as possible instead of competing on price. That's why auto glass repair shops often advertise that they will give you cash back if your insurance covers the repair. They bill so much more than their actual cost that they can afford to give you $100 cash and still turn a profit. This is insurance fraud, but it's so common that apparently authorities don't have the resources to deal with it.
Insurance companies want to use coverage limits as a selling point to their own customers, without exposing themselves to this kind of fraud by revealing it to claimants. As another answer notes, coverage limits may end up being revealed in court. But presumably, the claimant would have had to come up with a dollar amount before that.
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Negotiation 101, never be the first to say a number.
You tell them you have a $300,000 limit and magically they want $300,000. Alternatively, they may just assume you carry the minimum.
4
If you actually do have the minimum, could it hurt you to say that? Also, with a high limit, who is likely to fudge the severity of the injury -- the plaintiff, their doctor, or both? Aren't they taking a huge risk that if the suit fails (the insurance company successfully defends itself against the falsely inflated injury claim), they'll be deep in medical debt (plaintiff) or not get paid for their services (doctor)?
– nanoman
Dec 31 '18 at 3:26
3
The only reason you don't want to be the first to say a number is if the other party is about to make a big mistake which you want to accept. Otherwise, saying the first number frames the negotiation and is a good thing. If you don't think they are going to give you a silly offer you should be eager to get your number in there. But, really, that is not your problem it is GEICOs problem. They don't want you to avoid a mistake from the other side and want to control the negotiation themselves.
– Ross Millikan
Dec 31 '18 at 5:46
15
The posturing and settlement IS the defense....
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 6:55
7
@nanoman, it's not about fraud and fudging the severity of anything. Its what car the person decides to rent, which body shop they pick, whether or not they decide to go to a doctor at all, whether they try to argue that they missed days of work etc. It's not about lying and fraud. When I'm spending money that might not come back I'm careful, when I'm spending your money, I don't really care how much anything costs, particularly when I KNOW you have deep pockets.
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 20:12
2
@AaronHall It's called "Anchor Bias". Not sure why admin removed my comment earlier, but it's well studied for negotiations. pon.harvard.edu/daily/negotiation-skills-daily/…
– SnakeDoc
Jan 2 at 19:17
|
show 18 more comments
Negotiation 101, never be the first to say a number.
You tell them you have a $300,000 limit and magically they want $300,000. Alternatively, they may just assume you carry the minimum.
4
If you actually do have the minimum, could it hurt you to say that? Also, with a high limit, who is likely to fudge the severity of the injury -- the plaintiff, their doctor, or both? Aren't they taking a huge risk that if the suit fails (the insurance company successfully defends itself against the falsely inflated injury claim), they'll be deep in medical debt (plaintiff) or not get paid for their services (doctor)?
– nanoman
Dec 31 '18 at 3:26
3
The only reason you don't want to be the first to say a number is if the other party is about to make a big mistake which you want to accept. Otherwise, saying the first number frames the negotiation and is a good thing. If you don't think they are going to give you a silly offer you should be eager to get your number in there. But, really, that is not your problem it is GEICOs problem. They don't want you to avoid a mistake from the other side and want to control the negotiation themselves.
– Ross Millikan
Dec 31 '18 at 5:46
15
The posturing and settlement IS the defense....
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 6:55
7
@nanoman, it's not about fraud and fudging the severity of anything. Its what car the person decides to rent, which body shop they pick, whether or not they decide to go to a doctor at all, whether they try to argue that they missed days of work etc. It's not about lying and fraud. When I'm spending money that might not come back I'm careful, when I'm spending your money, I don't really care how much anything costs, particularly when I KNOW you have deep pockets.
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 20:12
2
@AaronHall It's called "Anchor Bias". Not sure why admin removed my comment earlier, but it's well studied for negotiations. pon.harvard.edu/daily/negotiation-skills-daily/…
– SnakeDoc
Jan 2 at 19:17
|
show 18 more comments
Negotiation 101, never be the first to say a number.
You tell them you have a $300,000 limit and magically they want $300,000. Alternatively, they may just assume you carry the minimum.
Negotiation 101, never be the first to say a number.
You tell them you have a $300,000 limit and magically they want $300,000. Alternatively, they may just assume you carry the minimum.
edited Dec 31 '18 at 6:51
answered Dec 31 '18 at 2:25
quidquid
35.8k766119
35.8k766119
4
If you actually do have the minimum, could it hurt you to say that? Also, with a high limit, who is likely to fudge the severity of the injury -- the plaintiff, their doctor, or both? Aren't they taking a huge risk that if the suit fails (the insurance company successfully defends itself against the falsely inflated injury claim), they'll be deep in medical debt (plaintiff) or not get paid for their services (doctor)?
– nanoman
Dec 31 '18 at 3:26
3
The only reason you don't want to be the first to say a number is if the other party is about to make a big mistake which you want to accept. Otherwise, saying the first number frames the negotiation and is a good thing. If you don't think they are going to give you a silly offer you should be eager to get your number in there. But, really, that is not your problem it is GEICOs problem. They don't want you to avoid a mistake from the other side and want to control the negotiation themselves.
– Ross Millikan
Dec 31 '18 at 5:46
15
The posturing and settlement IS the defense....
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 6:55
7
@nanoman, it's not about fraud and fudging the severity of anything. Its what car the person decides to rent, which body shop they pick, whether or not they decide to go to a doctor at all, whether they try to argue that they missed days of work etc. It's not about lying and fraud. When I'm spending money that might not come back I'm careful, when I'm spending your money, I don't really care how much anything costs, particularly when I KNOW you have deep pockets.
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 20:12
2
@AaronHall It's called "Anchor Bias". Not sure why admin removed my comment earlier, but it's well studied for negotiations. pon.harvard.edu/daily/negotiation-skills-daily/…
– SnakeDoc
Jan 2 at 19:17
|
show 18 more comments
4
If you actually do have the minimum, could it hurt you to say that? Also, with a high limit, who is likely to fudge the severity of the injury -- the plaintiff, their doctor, or both? Aren't they taking a huge risk that if the suit fails (the insurance company successfully defends itself against the falsely inflated injury claim), they'll be deep in medical debt (plaintiff) or not get paid for their services (doctor)?
– nanoman
Dec 31 '18 at 3:26
3
The only reason you don't want to be the first to say a number is if the other party is about to make a big mistake which you want to accept. Otherwise, saying the first number frames the negotiation and is a good thing. If you don't think they are going to give you a silly offer you should be eager to get your number in there. But, really, that is not your problem it is GEICOs problem. They don't want you to avoid a mistake from the other side and want to control the negotiation themselves.
– Ross Millikan
Dec 31 '18 at 5:46
15
The posturing and settlement IS the defense....
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 6:55
7
@nanoman, it's not about fraud and fudging the severity of anything. Its what car the person decides to rent, which body shop they pick, whether or not they decide to go to a doctor at all, whether they try to argue that they missed days of work etc. It's not about lying and fraud. When I'm spending money that might not come back I'm careful, when I'm spending your money, I don't really care how much anything costs, particularly when I KNOW you have deep pockets.
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 20:12
2
@AaronHall It's called "Anchor Bias". Not sure why admin removed my comment earlier, but it's well studied for negotiations. pon.harvard.edu/daily/negotiation-skills-daily/…
– SnakeDoc
Jan 2 at 19:17
4
4
If you actually do have the minimum, could it hurt you to say that? Also, with a high limit, who is likely to fudge the severity of the injury -- the plaintiff, their doctor, or both? Aren't they taking a huge risk that if the suit fails (the insurance company successfully defends itself against the falsely inflated injury claim), they'll be deep in medical debt (plaintiff) or not get paid for their services (doctor)?
– nanoman
Dec 31 '18 at 3:26
If you actually do have the minimum, could it hurt you to say that? Also, with a high limit, who is likely to fudge the severity of the injury -- the plaintiff, their doctor, or both? Aren't they taking a huge risk that if the suit fails (the insurance company successfully defends itself against the falsely inflated injury claim), they'll be deep in medical debt (plaintiff) or not get paid for their services (doctor)?
– nanoman
Dec 31 '18 at 3:26
3
3
The only reason you don't want to be the first to say a number is if the other party is about to make a big mistake which you want to accept. Otherwise, saying the first number frames the negotiation and is a good thing. If you don't think they are going to give you a silly offer you should be eager to get your number in there. But, really, that is not your problem it is GEICOs problem. They don't want you to avoid a mistake from the other side and want to control the negotiation themselves.
– Ross Millikan
Dec 31 '18 at 5:46
The only reason you don't want to be the first to say a number is if the other party is about to make a big mistake which you want to accept. Otherwise, saying the first number frames the negotiation and is a good thing. If you don't think they are going to give you a silly offer you should be eager to get your number in there. But, really, that is not your problem it is GEICOs problem. They don't want you to avoid a mistake from the other side and want to control the negotiation themselves.
– Ross Millikan
Dec 31 '18 at 5:46
15
15
The posturing and settlement IS the defense....
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 6:55
The posturing and settlement IS the defense....
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 6:55
7
7
@nanoman, it's not about fraud and fudging the severity of anything. Its what car the person decides to rent, which body shop they pick, whether or not they decide to go to a doctor at all, whether they try to argue that they missed days of work etc. It's not about lying and fraud. When I'm spending money that might not come back I'm careful, when I'm spending your money, I don't really care how much anything costs, particularly when I KNOW you have deep pockets.
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 20:12
@nanoman, it's not about fraud and fudging the severity of anything. Its what car the person decides to rent, which body shop they pick, whether or not they decide to go to a doctor at all, whether they try to argue that they missed days of work etc. It's not about lying and fraud. When I'm spending money that might not come back I'm careful, when I'm spending your money, I don't really care how much anything costs, particularly when I KNOW you have deep pockets.
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 20:12
2
2
@AaronHall It's called "Anchor Bias". Not sure why admin removed my comment earlier, but it's well studied for negotiations. pon.harvard.edu/daily/negotiation-skills-daily/…
– SnakeDoc
Jan 2 at 19:17
@AaronHall It's called "Anchor Bias". Not sure why admin removed my comment earlier, but it's well studied for negotiations. pon.harvard.edu/daily/negotiation-skills-daily/…
– SnakeDoc
Jan 2 at 19:17
|
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It isn't just GEICO that tells you this, every US car insurance company instructs their customers to not mention the amount of coverage.
Your job is not to negotiate. Your job is to collect the specified information and to hand the claim process over to the insurance company. That is also why they tell you not to admit fault.
When you start discussing the amount of coverage you have, then you are starting the process that the insurance company doesn't want you involved in. Telling them the maximum that your insurance can pay, or telling them that you only have the state mandated minimum doesn't make the job of the insurance company any easier.
10
Also don't sulk, argue and/or play the blame game during an accident. Don't even talk back to an angry person, but be civil. Get the insurance company over the phone, get whatever (minimum) information the IC or the cops require and walk away. Go home and cry all you want, but don't do it in front of the other party. May sound callous but self-preservation often is.
– Mindwin
Jan 2 at 11:15
1
Your answer is better than mine
– quid
Jan 2 at 23:45
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It isn't just GEICO that tells you this, every US car insurance company instructs their customers to not mention the amount of coverage.
Your job is not to negotiate. Your job is to collect the specified information and to hand the claim process over to the insurance company. That is also why they tell you not to admit fault.
When you start discussing the amount of coverage you have, then you are starting the process that the insurance company doesn't want you involved in. Telling them the maximum that your insurance can pay, or telling them that you only have the state mandated minimum doesn't make the job of the insurance company any easier.
10
Also don't sulk, argue and/or play the blame game during an accident. Don't even talk back to an angry person, but be civil. Get the insurance company over the phone, get whatever (minimum) information the IC or the cops require and walk away. Go home and cry all you want, but don't do it in front of the other party. May sound callous but self-preservation often is.
– Mindwin
Jan 2 at 11:15
1
Your answer is better than mine
– quid
Jan 2 at 23:45
add a comment |
It isn't just GEICO that tells you this, every US car insurance company instructs their customers to not mention the amount of coverage.
Your job is not to negotiate. Your job is to collect the specified information and to hand the claim process over to the insurance company. That is also why they tell you not to admit fault.
When you start discussing the amount of coverage you have, then you are starting the process that the insurance company doesn't want you involved in. Telling them the maximum that your insurance can pay, or telling them that you only have the state mandated minimum doesn't make the job of the insurance company any easier.
It isn't just GEICO that tells you this, every US car insurance company instructs their customers to not mention the amount of coverage.
Your job is not to negotiate. Your job is to collect the specified information and to hand the claim process over to the insurance company. That is also why they tell you not to admit fault.
When you start discussing the amount of coverage you have, then you are starting the process that the insurance company doesn't want you involved in. Telling them the maximum that your insurance can pay, or telling them that you only have the state mandated minimum doesn't make the job of the insurance company any easier.
answered Dec 31 '18 at 12:22
mhoran_psprepmhoran_psprep
67.5k894172
67.5k894172
10
Also don't sulk, argue and/or play the blame game during an accident. Don't even talk back to an angry person, but be civil. Get the insurance company over the phone, get whatever (minimum) information the IC or the cops require and walk away. Go home and cry all you want, but don't do it in front of the other party. May sound callous but self-preservation often is.
– Mindwin
Jan 2 at 11:15
1
Your answer is better than mine
– quid
Jan 2 at 23:45
add a comment |
10
Also don't sulk, argue and/or play the blame game during an accident. Don't even talk back to an angry person, but be civil. Get the insurance company over the phone, get whatever (minimum) information the IC or the cops require and walk away. Go home and cry all you want, but don't do it in front of the other party. May sound callous but self-preservation often is.
– Mindwin
Jan 2 at 11:15
1
Your answer is better than mine
– quid
Jan 2 at 23:45
10
10
Also don't sulk, argue and/or play the blame game during an accident. Don't even talk back to an angry person, but be civil. Get the insurance company over the phone, get whatever (minimum) information the IC or the cops require and walk away. Go home and cry all you want, but don't do it in front of the other party. May sound callous but self-preservation often is.
– Mindwin
Jan 2 at 11:15
Also don't sulk, argue and/or play the blame game during an accident. Don't even talk back to an angry person, but be civil. Get the insurance company over the phone, get whatever (minimum) information the IC or the cops require and walk away. Go home and cry all you want, but don't do it in front of the other party. May sound callous but self-preservation often is.
– Mindwin
Jan 2 at 11:15
1
1
Your answer is better than mine
– quid
Jan 2 at 23:45
Your answer is better than mine
– quid
Jan 2 at 23:45
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The limits of your coverage are completely irrelevant to anything you might do in a situation where your liability coverage is in play. More directly, there is nothing at all for you to gain from providing this information. Another way to look at the question is "why would you want to reveal this information?".
There probably isn't much downside to it for you, personally. Your insurer will be on the hook for any negative consequences (like inflated settlement amounts, at the margins), but your policy isn't going to retroactively change or anything. But the insurer will still want to protect its own interests to the maximum possible extent.
Your contract almost certainly establishes that every element of the settlement, and negotiations around it, will be handled by your insurer. You blurting out information in this situation wouldn't be much better than you interrupting your own lawyer in the courtroom during arguments in a trial.
As a few examples:
- Someone might see your volunteering that information as an admission
of guilt, giving them much better leverage in negotiations than if
you'd simply not said anything. - The payment sought might become higher due to knowing how much money
is "available", as per other answers here. - It's not that hard to rack up "valid" medical charges, meaning not
obviously fraudulent, like additional MRI scans because the ones
already done aren't clear enough (allegedly). This is somewhat risky (the claim may not cover those bills anyways), but it is less risky if the potential insurance payout has a higher ceiling. - The other party (or parties) might believe that they are entitled to
that amount of money, not for any rational reason but because it's the number they heard, and then becomes hard to deal with within and
outside of the insurance process. - It might simply make the settlement process longer and more tedious,
causing the insurer's money to be burned in extra administrative and
bureaucratic costs to no additional benefit to anyone. Consider the case of identifying which medical bills were reasonable and which were opportunistically grasping for more cash-- that audit isn't free. - Revealing information about your policy might suggest information
about your personal financial situation, making you a target for
additional civil litigations (whether they are frivolous or not,
you'll have to dedicate time, energy, and money to responding).
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The limits of your coverage are completely irrelevant to anything you might do in a situation where your liability coverage is in play. More directly, there is nothing at all for you to gain from providing this information. Another way to look at the question is "why would you want to reveal this information?".
There probably isn't much downside to it for you, personally. Your insurer will be on the hook for any negative consequences (like inflated settlement amounts, at the margins), but your policy isn't going to retroactively change or anything. But the insurer will still want to protect its own interests to the maximum possible extent.
Your contract almost certainly establishes that every element of the settlement, and negotiations around it, will be handled by your insurer. You blurting out information in this situation wouldn't be much better than you interrupting your own lawyer in the courtroom during arguments in a trial.
As a few examples:
- Someone might see your volunteering that information as an admission
of guilt, giving them much better leverage in negotiations than if
you'd simply not said anything. - The payment sought might become higher due to knowing how much money
is "available", as per other answers here. - It's not that hard to rack up "valid" medical charges, meaning not
obviously fraudulent, like additional MRI scans because the ones
already done aren't clear enough (allegedly). This is somewhat risky (the claim may not cover those bills anyways), but it is less risky if the potential insurance payout has a higher ceiling. - The other party (or parties) might believe that they are entitled to
that amount of money, not for any rational reason but because it's the number they heard, and then becomes hard to deal with within and
outside of the insurance process. - It might simply make the settlement process longer and more tedious,
causing the insurer's money to be burned in extra administrative and
bureaucratic costs to no additional benefit to anyone. Consider the case of identifying which medical bills were reasonable and which were opportunistically grasping for more cash-- that audit isn't free. - Revealing information about your policy might suggest information
about your personal financial situation, making you a target for
additional civil litigations (whether they are frivolous or not,
you'll have to dedicate time, energy, and money to responding).
add a comment |
The limits of your coverage are completely irrelevant to anything you might do in a situation where your liability coverage is in play. More directly, there is nothing at all for you to gain from providing this information. Another way to look at the question is "why would you want to reveal this information?".
There probably isn't much downside to it for you, personally. Your insurer will be on the hook for any negative consequences (like inflated settlement amounts, at the margins), but your policy isn't going to retroactively change or anything. But the insurer will still want to protect its own interests to the maximum possible extent.
Your contract almost certainly establishes that every element of the settlement, and negotiations around it, will be handled by your insurer. You blurting out information in this situation wouldn't be much better than you interrupting your own lawyer in the courtroom during arguments in a trial.
As a few examples:
- Someone might see your volunteering that information as an admission
of guilt, giving them much better leverage in negotiations than if
you'd simply not said anything. - The payment sought might become higher due to knowing how much money
is "available", as per other answers here. - It's not that hard to rack up "valid" medical charges, meaning not
obviously fraudulent, like additional MRI scans because the ones
already done aren't clear enough (allegedly). This is somewhat risky (the claim may not cover those bills anyways), but it is less risky if the potential insurance payout has a higher ceiling. - The other party (or parties) might believe that they are entitled to
that amount of money, not for any rational reason but because it's the number they heard, and then becomes hard to deal with within and
outside of the insurance process. - It might simply make the settlement process longer and more tedious,
causing the insurer's money to be burned in extra administrative and
bureaucratic costs to no additional benefit to anyone. Consider the case of identifying which medical bills were reasonable and which were opportunistically grasping for more cash-- that audit isn't free. - Revealing information about your policy might suggest information
about your personal financial situation, making you a target for
additional civil litigations (whether they are frivolous or not,
you'll have to dedicate time, energy, and money to responding).
The limits of your coverage are completely irrelevant to anything you might do in a situation where your liability coverage is in play. More directly, there is nothing at all for you to gain from providing this information. Another way to look at the question is "why would you want to reveal this information?".
There probably isn't much downside to it for you, personally. Your insurer will be on the hook for any negative consequences (like inflated settlement amounts, at the margins), but your policy isn't going to retroactively change or anything. But the insurer will still want to protect its own interests to the maximum possible extent.
Your contract almost certainly establishes that every element of the settlement, and negotiations around it, will be handled by your insurer. You blurting out information in this situation wouldn't be much better than you interrupting your own lawyer in the courtroom during arguments in a trial.
As a few examples:
- Someone might see your volunteering that information as an admission
of guilt, giving them much better leverage in negotiations than if
you'd simply not said anything. - The payment sought might become higher due to knowing how much money
is "available", as per other answers here. - It's not that hard to rack up "valid" medical charges, meaning not
obviously fraudulent, like additional MRI scans because the ones
already done aren't clear enough (allegedly). This is somewhat risky (the claim may not cover those bills anyways), but it is less risky if the potential insurance payout has a higher ceiling. - The other party (or parties) might believe that they are entitled to
that amount of money, not for any rational reason but because it's the number they heard, and then becomes hard to deal with within and
outside of the insurance process. - It might simply make the settlement process longer and more tedious,
causing the insurer's money to be burned in extra administrative and
bureaucratic costs to no additional benefit to anyone. Consider the case of identifying which medical bills were reasonable and which were opportunistically grasping for more cash-- that audit isn't free. - Revealing information about your policy might suggest information
about your personal financial situation, making you a target for
additional civil litigations (whether they are frivolous or not,
you'll have to dedicate time, energy, and money to responding).
answered Dec 31 '18 at 16:45
Upper_CaseUpper_Case
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41426
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In my state (in US), once the lawyers get involved, the parties involved are legally required to release insurance coverage info upon formal request.
Further, if it goes to trial, the jury is not allowed to know the amount of insurance.
"In my state (in US)" -> which state?
– Franck Dernoncourt
Dec 31 '18 at 19:03
2
Commonwealth of MA
– master chief
Dec 31 '18 at 19:10
2
I'd assume that once the lawyers get involved in any state, the relevant policies would be part of the discovery process.
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 20:09
add a comment |
In my state (in US), once the lawyers get involved, the parties involved are legally required to release insurance coverage info upon formal request.
Further, if it goes to trial, the jury is not allowed to know the amount of insurance.
"In my state (in US)" -> which state?
– Franck Dernoncourt
Dec 31 '18 at 19:03
2
Commonwealth of MA
– master chief
Dec 31 '18 at 19:10
2
I'd assume that once the lawyers get involved in any state, the relevant policies would be part of the discovery process.
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 20:09
add a comment |
In my state (in US), once the lawyers get involved, the parties involved are legally required to release insurance coverage info upon formal request.
Further, if it goes to trial, the jury is not allowed to know the amount of insurance.
In my state (in US), once the lawyers get involved, the parties involved are legally required to release insurance coverage info upon formal request.
Further, if it goes to trial, the jury is not allowed to know the amount of insurance.
answered Dec 31 '18 at 18:45
master chiefmaster chief
511
511
"In my state (in US)" -> which state?
– Franck Dernoncourt
Dec 31 '18 at 19:03
2
Commonwealth of MA
– master chief
Dec 31 '18 at 19:10
2
I'd assume that once the lawyers get involved in any state, the relevant policies would be part of the discovery process.
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 20:09
add a comment |
"In my state (in US)" -> which state?
– Franck Dernoncourt
Dec 31 '18 at 19:03
2
Commonwealth of MA
– master chief
Dec 31 '18 at 19:10
2
I'd assume that once the lawyers get involved in any state, the relevant policies would be part of the discovery process.
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 20:09
"In my state (in US)" -> which state?
– Franck Dernoncourt
Dec 31 '18 at 19:03
"In my state (in US)" -> which state?
– Franck Dernoncourt
Dec 31 '18 at 19:03
2
2
Commonwealth of MA
– master chief
Dec 31 '18 at 19:10
Commonwealth of MA
– master chief
Dec 31 '18 at 19:10
2
2
I'd assume that once the lawyers get involved in any state, the relevant policies would be part of the discovery process.
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 20:09
I'd assume that once the lawyers get involved in any state, the relevant policies would be part of the discovery process.
– quid
Dec 31 '18 at 20:09
add a comment |
If you know how much money is available, you could be more willing to spend it. You might accept an expensive optional test that you would have skipped if you were paying for it. There's no upside to the other party knowing how much insurance you have. It's only going to lead to higher costs.
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If you know how much money is available, you could be more willing to spend it. You might accept an expensive optional test that you would have skipped if you were paying for it. There's no upside to the other party knowing how much insurance you have. It's only going to lead to higher costs.
add a comment |
If you know how much money is available, you could be more willing to spend it. You might accept an expensive optional test that you would have skipped if you were paying for it. There's no upside to the other party knowing how much insurance you have. It's only going to lead to higher costs.
If you know how much money is available, you could be more willing to spend it. You might accept an expensive optional test that you would have skipped if you were paying for it. There's no upside to the other party knowing how much insurance you have. It's only going to lead to higher costs.
answered Dec 31 '18 at 23:50
Philip TinneyPhilip Tinney
1513
1513
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All forms of insurance create perverse incentives to bill for as much as possible instead of competing on price. That's why auto glass repair shops often advertise that they will give you cash back if your insurance covers the repair. They bill so much more than their actual cost that they can afford to give you $100 cash and still turn a profit. This is insurance fraud, but it's so common that apparently authorities don't have the resources to deal with it.
Insurance companies want to use coverage limits as a selling point to their own customers, without exposing themselves to this kind of fraud by revealing it to claimants. As another answer notes, coverage limits may end up being revealed in court. But presumably, the claimant would have had to come up with a dollar amount before that.
add a comment |
All forms of insurance create perverse incentives to bill for as much as possible instead of competing on price. That's why auto glass repair shops often advertise that they will give you cash back if your insurance covers the repair. They bill so much more than their actual cost that they can afford to give you $100 cash and still turn a profit. This is insurance fraud, but it's so common that apparently authorities don't have the resources to deal with it.
Insurance companies want to use coverage limits as a selling point to their own customers, without exposing themselves to this kind of fraud by revealing it to claimants. As another answer notes, coverage limits may end up being revealed in court. But presumably, the claimant would have had to come up with a dollar amount before that.
add a comment |
All forms of insurance create perverse incentives to bill for as much as possible instead of competing on price. That's why auto glass repair shops often advertise that they will give you cash back if your insurance covers the repair. They bill so much more than their actual cost that they can afford to give you $100 cash and still turn a profit. This is insurance fraud, but it's so common that apparently authorities don't have the resources to deal with it.
Insurance companies want to use coverage limits as a selling point to their own customers, without exposing themselves to this kind of fraud by revealing it to claimants. As another answer notes, coverage limits may end up being revealed in court. But presumably, the claimant would have had to come up with a dollar amount before that.
All forms of insurance create perverse incentives to bill for as much as possible instead of competing on price. That's why auto glass repair shops often advertise that they will give you cash back if your insurance covers the repair. They bill so much more than their actual cost that they can afford to give you $100 cash and still turn a profit. This is insurance fraud, but it's so common that apparently authorities don't have the resources to deal with it.
Insurance companies want to use coverage limits as a selling point to their own customers, without exposing themselves to this kind of fraud by revealing it to claimants. As another answer notes, coverage limits may end up being revealed in court. But presumably, the claimant would have had to come up with a dollar amount before that.
answered Jan 2 at 18:04
TKKTKK
1513
1513
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This should belong in Law, it has to do with the tactics of the legal process and lawyering.
– user71659
Dec 31 '18 at 2:15
@user71659 thanks, I wasn't sure which website was the most suitable for this question, I am okay with migrating the question of there if that's on topic on law.se
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Dec 31 '18 at 2:16