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Does "fit" refer to soft skills? Or could it be as random as your accent, the way you look, or something like that



Would you consider it a kiss of death when a potential employer says "You won't be a good fit" i.e. "we do not like you and there is no way you will work here".










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    That means that the candidate won't be a good fit(won't be suitable) in the company's culture. He is much different than others in the team (their feeling) and the company fears that he will be, possibly, like a black sheep in the team. They can refer to his skills, cultural background, personality, past experience. I hate that sentence. i have never heard it but my company is giving it to some of the candidates, usually it's not skills related, here in Germany.
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    Easiest way to answer this - not worth of a whole answer - is that it means something, or many things, don't fit with what they're looking for - it may be personal, professional, or even moral. It gets said when either a company doesn't want to elaborate over loads of things, doesn't want to say their real reason, or is sending the same message to a large number of people, and needs a catch all phrase - It's definitely the end of the process though.
    – Owen C. Jones
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    It's generic enough to be used in automated rejections
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    @BruceWayne - You have the right to receive the any notes that are held in any systematic filing system (down to a paper folder with interview sheets stored alphabetically). Failure to provide them in a timely fashion is a crime. Intentionally destroying them is an even bigger crime. Intentionally destroying them because they say something bad is liable to lead to jail time if it comes out in court; xperthr.co.uk/faq/…
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    @BruceWayne - And yes, that applies to all companies operating in England. Even Wayne Enterprises UK
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Does "fit" refer to soft skills? Or could it be as random as your accent, the way you look, or something like that



Would you consider it a kiss of death when a potential employer says "You won't be a good fit" i.e. "we do not like you and there is no way you will work here".










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    That means that the candidate won't be a good fit(won't be suitable) in the company's culture. He is much different than others in the team (their feeling) and the company fears that he will be, possibly, like a black sheep in the team. They can refer to his skills, cultural background, personality, past experience. I hate that sentence. i have never heard it but my company is giving it to some of the candidates, usually it's not skills related, here in Germany.
    – pandabear
    16 hours ago






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    Easiest way to answer this - not worth of a whole answer - is that it means something, or many things, don't fit with what they're looking for - it may be personal, professional, or even moral. It gets said when either a company doesn't want to elaborate over loads of things, doesn't want to say their real reason, or is sending the same message to a large number of people, and needs a catch all phrase - It's definitely the end of the process though.
    – Owen C. Jones
    15 hours ago






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    It's generic enough to be used in automated rejections
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    @BruceWayne - You have the right to receive the any notes that are held in any systematic filing system (down to a paper folder with interview sheets stored alphabetically). Failure to provide them in a timely fashion is a crime. Intentionally destroying them is an even bigger crime. Intentionally destroying them because they say something bad is liable to lead to jail time if it comes out in court; xperthr.co.uk/faq/…
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    That means that the candidate won't be a good fit(won't be suitable) in the company's culture. He is much different than others in the team (their feeling) and the company fears that he will be, possibly, like a black sheep in the team. They can refer to his skills, cultural background, personality, past experience. I hate that sentence. i have never heard it but my company is giving it to some of the candidates, usually it's not skills related, here in Germany.
    – pandabear
    16 hours ago






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    Easiest way to answer this - not worth of a whole answer - is that it means something, or many things, don't fit with what they're looking for - it may be personal, professional, or even moral. It gets said when either a company doesn't want to elaborate over loads of things, doesn't want to say their real reason, or is sending the same message to a large number of people, and needs a catch all phrase - It's definitely the end of the process though.
    – Owen C. Jones
    15 hours ago






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    It's generic enough to be used in automated rejections
    – sudo rm -rf slash
    15 hours ago






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    @BruceWayne - You have the right to receive the any notes that are held in any systematic filing system (down to a paper folder with interview sheets stored alphabetically). Failure to provide them in a timely fashion is a crime. Intentionally destroying them is an even bigger crime. Intentionally destroying them because they say something bad is liable to lead to jail time if it comes out in court; xperthr.co.uk/faq/…
    – Richard
    8 hours ago








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    @BruceWayne - And yes, that applies to all companies operating in England. Even Wayne Enterprises UK
    – Richard
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    That means that the candidate won't be a good fit(won't be suitable) in the company's culture. He is much different than others in the team (their feeling) and the company fears that he will be, possibly, like a black sheep in the team. They can refer to his skills, cultural background, personality, past experience. I hate that sentence. i have never heard it but my company is giving it to some of the candidates, usually it's not skills related, here in Germany.
    – pandabear
    16 hours ago






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    Easiest way to answer this - not worth of a whole answer - is that it means something, or many things, don't fit with what they're looking for - it may be personal, professional, or even moral. It gets said when either a company doesn't want to elaborate over loads of things, doesn't want to say their real reason, or is sending the same message to a large number of people, and needs a catch all phrase - It's definitely the end of the process though.
    – Owen C. Jones
    15 hours ago






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    It's generic enough to be used in automated rejections
    – sudo rm -rf slash
    15 hours ago






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    @BruceWayne - You have the right to receive the any notes that are held in any systematic filing system (down to a paper folder with interview sheets stored alphabetically). Failure to provide them in a timely fashion is a crime. Intentionally destroying them is an even bigger crime. Intentionally destroying them because they say something bad is liable to lead to jail time if it comes out in court; xperthr.co.uk/faq/…
    – Richard
    8 hours ago








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    @BruceWayne - And yes, that applies to all companies operating in England. Even Wayne Enterprises UK
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That means that the candidate won't be a good fit(won't be suitable) in the company's culture. He is much different than others in the team (their feeling) and the company fears that he will be, possibly, like a black sheep in the team. They can refer to his skills, cultural background, personality, past experience. I hate that sentence. i have never heard it but my company is giving it to some of the candidates, usually it's not skills related, here in Germany.
– pandabear
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That means that the candidate won't be a good fit(won't be suitable) in the company's culture. He is much different than others in the team (their feeling) and the company fears that he will be, possibly, like a black sheep in the team. They can refer to his skills, cultural background, personality, past experience. I hate that sentence. i have never heard it but my company is giving it to some of the candidates, usually it's not skills related, here in Germany.
– pandabear
16 hours ago




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Easiest way to answer this - not worth of a whole answer - is that it means something, or many things, don't fit with what they're looking for - it may be personal, professional, or even moral. It gets said when either a company doesn't want to elaborate over loads of things, doesn't want to say their real reason, or is sending the same message to a large number of people, and needs a catch all phrase - It's definitely the end of the process though.
– Owen C. Jones
15 hours ago




Easiest way to answer this - not worth of a whole answer - is that it means something, or many things, don't fit with what they're looking for - it may be personal, professional, or even moral. It gets said when either a company doesn't want to elaborate over loads of things, doesn't want to say their real reason, or is sending the same message to a large number of people, and needs a catch all phrase - It's definitely the end of the process though.
– Owen C. Jones
15 hours ago




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It's generic enough to be used in automated rejections
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It's generic enough to be used in automated rejections
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@BruceWayne - You have the right to receive the any notes that are held in any systematic filing system (down to a paper folder with interview sheets stored alphabetically). Failure to provide them in a timely fashion is a crime. Intentionally destroying them is an even bigger crime. Intentionally destroying them because they say something bad is liable to lead to jail time if it comes out in court; xperthr.co.uk/faq/…
– Richard
8 hours ago






@BruceWayne - You have the right to receive the any notes that are held in any systematic filing system (down to a paper folder with interview sheets stored alphabetically). Failure to provide them in a timely fashion is a crime. Intentionally destroying them is an even bigger crime. Intentionally destroying them because they say something bad is liable to lead to jail time if it comes out in court; xperthr.co.uk/faq/…
– Richard
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@BruceWayne - And yes, that applies to all companies operating in England. Even Wayne Enterprises UK
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Yes. It translates into: "We're done considering you and the result was negative. No, we're not going to tell you exactly what was wrong. It might be your personality, what we think is your skill set, work ethic, communication skills, or whatever. We've had this conversation lots with others and our lawyers inform us that we can say this without legal exposure."






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    On the plus side, I've seen well qualified people that simply seemed like they wouldn't fit in. So it isn't always just a figure of speech. Which makes it easier to not worry too much about it and move on. And that's what you should probably do.
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    Indeed. It's a completely meaningless phrase, which means: absolutely, utterly nothing. It's exactly like getting a form letter.
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    As employers we are obligated to ensure, as well as possible, that a new hire won't have an undue impact on the team they join, or on the working relationship of that team with clients - and, with some candidates, the lack of fit becomes painfully obvious. However, "lack of fit" does not mean "we won't tell you why" - we can be obligated by HR policy to give a specific explanation if asked. Giving such feedback, when policy requires it, is one of the more stressful parts of recruitment processes on the selection panels.
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    @Peter - HR might or might not want the phrase to be explained. My guess would be that HR would not want the phrase to be explained more. For example, HR surely wouldn't want a female candidate to be told that "We only want to hire a male," even though that may be true. The phrase purposely is non-descriptive and leaves the candidate with no indication if the reason is some bias or a deficiency.
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    @MaxW - I an currently involved in a recruitment process, where the HR policy is that the selection panels offer unsuccessful candidates an opportunity to obtain feedback on why they were unsuccessful. If the candidates accept that offer of feedback, the feedback is required to be as specific as possible. Including an explanation of what led us to conclude "not a good fit".
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Adding a slightly different perspective: Fit is NOT an empty phrase but the single most important part of the hiring decision. The job of the interview team is to figure out whether the candidate is a "good fit" for the role. "Fit" breaks down into a bunch of different components




  1. Technical skills, stuff for the immediate role, adjacent and orthogonal skills.

  2. Experience, learning curve, time required to fill gaps

  3. General critical thinking, learning ability

  4. Cultural fit: communication style, management style, amount of hand holding required, personality, ego to skill ratio, etc.

  5. Career fit candidate: is that a logical step for the candidate or is she looking for something else and this is a stop gap

  6. Career fit employer: can we see a credible long term growth scenario for that person here.

  7. Family, personal stuff: relocation, commute, buy in from partner/family, etc.

  8. Money: do candidate goals and employer range overlap enough


Any single one of these being out of whack can mean "not a fit" and, yes, that is the end of this application.



In most cases "not a fit" is GOOD outcome. It simply represents the facts and hiring a person that's not a fit for any of the reasons above, just makes everyone miserable: colleagues, manager, and new hire tend to have a bad time and the final outcome is never good.



I understand, it's frustrating to receive the "no fit" answer without further details. However, if you keep your eyes and ears open during they interview process and go mentally through your own fit check list, you can typically tell what's happening and why. You may actually come to the same conclusion yourself.






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    If "not a good fit" can mean anything, then it means nothing.
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    All very well and good but IRL the possibility of those meanings being intended by the phrase is just legal cover for the actual use of the phrase, which (as many have said) is simply "we don't like you and we don't want to tell you why". Maybe their decision is illegally discriminatory or maybe they're just worried about spurious litigation to that effect. But either way they need a 'placeholder phrase' that provides legal plausible deniability. That plausible deniability is the justifications you've listed.
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    THIS. No need for conspiracy theories, most people are unfit for most jobs. If it wasn't the case, we wouldn't need interviews.
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  • It is not the kiss of death from the employer, but a kiss of death for this particular position. You may still be a good fit for another position at the employer.
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I would consider it the kiss of death in an interview process.



Odds are you believe in something that is fundamentally opposed within the organization, or there is some other reason (one the company would prefer to keep unsaid to avoid bad press) which is being expressed but not voiced.



I'd try to mentally recall the entire interview. Who did the talking? When did the facial expressions change to indicate displeasure? What was said before that happened, and if that couldn't be misconstrued badly, how was it said?



It's not a sure-fire formula for figuring out where something went wrong. It's just a starting place, adjust it to fit your needs.






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    Without further explanation, "You won't be a good fit" is as generic as it could be, and it is a kiss of death, unless you are assertive enough to ask questions (and persevere in doing so until you get answers).



    As you have not much to lose anymore, you can take the risk to ask anything, like




    • What would it take to fit in better?

    • Do you see a mismatch with the function, the team or the company culture?

    • Is there a different team or function in your company in which I would fit better?

    • Do you know a company in your industry whose company culture would fit me better?


    Beware you are in an exceptional position now: you do have access to a person who knows the industry. That person sees him/herself as the one who turned you down and would be much happier to see him/herself as the one who gave you advice.



    Do both of you a favor and act now.



    Update:



    My optimism gets a lot of negative feed back, mainly from people that are afraid the hiring manager or recruiter you contact might not appreciate being bothered or even questioned by you. I aggree this is a risk, but it is one worth taking.



    It is a risk



    because indeed, some recruiters and hiring managers only see you as a resource, which accidentaly is human. They don't care about you, not when you get the job and even less when you don't.
    If they remember you needlesly bothering them in the past, they will reject you in the future.



    But the riks is worth taking



    because other recruiters and hiring managers see you as a human, which might become a resource. They not only like to help humans, they also know humans are capable of improving themselves using feedback.
    If they remember you valuing their feedback in the past, they will valuate your effort to fit in in the future.



    I don't mind burning bridges to the first type of recruiter while building bridges to the second type. They will propose me jobs in which I will be productive and happy.






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      I'm compelled to downvote too. There are things to lose and no, candidate cannot take the rist to ask anything. It is not professional and if the hiring manager answers some of these questions it might give enough grounds for a lawsuit as stated in other comments. The hiring manager won't be happier to give you advice, and your fourth bullet point might be misinterpreted as a referral. "both of you a favour[sic]?" I bet the hiring manager has a ton of other interviews/work to do besides doing free consulting for a failed candidate. I'm actually downvoting after writing my comment.
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      @DirkHorsten Maybe you should consider why you keep needing advice from outplacement consultants. (Hint: their basic objective is to earn money for themselves, not to find you a permanent job).
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      I replaced the word Random with Generic. I suspect your answer will be better recieved now.
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      I don't understand the downvotes. Asking what a candidate could have done better or differently is paramount to self-improvement.
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      @Mindwin What is there to lose?
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    I have used the "Good fit" line a few times. Sometimes it's a personality thing (very Type A, etc), sometimes I felt like the person was overqualified (and I risked having a bored developer) for the role with no likelihood of the requirements changing, etc. For one person, I knew his personality would be a complete clash with what the CEO was used to (loud, very opinionated, very blunt, very chatty, etc -- qualities (other than loud) I would have hired for if it was my company).






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      It does not have to be the total kiss of death, but it probably is.




      • A candidate has to match a gap in the team. That covers hard skills, soft skills, and personality. Even if workers in a team are nominally equals, there will be leaders and followers, attention to detail and attention to the big picture, people who jolt the team out of the daily grind and people who take care of the daily chores.

        It could be that you do not fit now, but that there will be a phone call or email six months from now asking if you are still free. Because there is a different gap then.

      • A company might have multiple gaps in multiple teams, and "not a good fit" is the preface to handing the candidate to another team than the one he or she applied for. In that case they'd make this very clear.


      But most likely they're telling the candidate that there will be no job offer.






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        It basically means "We have enough class to respond to you, but not enough bravery to tell you specifically why you weren't hired."



        Count yourself luck they didn't just try to Ghost you.






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          Yes. It translates into: "We're done considering you and the result was negative. No, we're not going to tell you exactly what was wrong. It might be your personality, what we think is your skill set, work ethic, communication skills, or whatever. We've had this conversation lots with others and our lawyers inform us that we can say this without legal exposure."






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            On the plus side, I've seen well qualified people that simply seemed like they wouldn't fit in. So it isn't always just a figure of speech. Which makes it easier to not worry too much about it and move on. And that's what you should probably do.
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            Indeed. It's a completely meaningless phrase, which means: absolutely, utterly nothing. It's exactly like getting a form letter.
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            As employers we are obligated to ensure, as well as possible, that a new hire won't have an undue impact on the team they join, or on the working relationship of that team with clients - and, with some candidates, the lack of fit becomes painfully obvious. However, "lack of fit" does not mean "we won't tell you why" - we can be obligated by HR policy to give a specific explanation if asked. Giving such feedback, when policy requires it, is one of the more stressful parts of recruitment processes on the selection panels.
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            @Peter - HR might or might not want the phrase to be explained. My guess would be that HR would not want the phrase to be explained more. For example, HR surely wouldn't want a female candidate to be told that "We only want to hire a male," even though that may be true. The phrase purposely is non-descriptive and leaves the candidate with no indication if the reason is some bias or a deficiency.
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            @MaxW - I an currently involved in a recruitment process, where the HR policy is that the selection panels offer unsuccessful candidates an opportunity to obtain feedback on why they were unsuccessful. If the candidates accept that offer of feedback, the feedback is required to be as specific as possible. Including an explanation of what led us to conclude "not a good fit".
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          Yes. It translates into: "We're done considering you and the result was negative. No, we're not going to tell you exactly what was wrong. It might be your personality, what we think is your skill set, work ethic, communication skills, or whatever. We've had this conversation lots with others and our lawyers inform us that we can say this without legal exposure."






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            On the plus side, I've seen well qualified people that simply seemed like they wouldn't fit in. So it isn't always just a figure of speech. Which makes it easier to not worry too much about it and move on. And that's what you should probably do.
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            Indeed. It's a completely meaningless phrase, which means: absolutely, utterly nothing. It's exactly like getting a form letter.
            – Fattie
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            As employers we are obligated to ensure, as well as possible, that a new hire won't have an undue impact on the team they join, or on the working relationship of that team with clients - and, with some candidates, the lack of fit becomes painfully obvious. However, "lack of fit" does not mean "we won't tell you why" - we can be obligated by HR policy to give a specific explanation if asked. Giving such feedback, when policy requires it, is one of the more stressful parts of recruitment processes on the selection panels.
            – Peter
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            @Peter - HR might or might not want the phrase to be explained. My guess would be that HR would not want the phrase to be explained more. For example, HR surely wouldn't want a female candidate to be told that "We only want to hire a male," even though that may be true. The phrase purposely is non-descriptive and leaves the candidate with no indication if the reason is some bias or a deficiency.
            – MaxW
            yesterday






          • 3




            @MaxW - I an currently involved in a recruitment process, where the HR policy is that the selection panels offer unsuccessful candidates an opportunity to obtain feedback on why they were unsuccessful. If the candidates accept that offer of feedback, the feedback is required to be as specific as possible. Including an explanation of what led us to conclude "not a good fit".
            – Peter
            23 hours ago














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          And would you consider it a kiss of death when said by a potential
          employer




          Yes. It translates into: "We're done considering you and the result was negative. No, we're not going to tell you exactly what was wrong. It might be your personality, what we think is your skill set, work ethic, communication skills, or whatever. We've had this conversation lots with others and our lawyers inform us that we can say this without legal exposure."






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          And would you consider it a kiss of death when said by a potential
          employer




          Yes. It translates into: "We're done considering you and the result was negative. No, we're not going to tell you exactly what was wrong. It might be your personality, what we think is your skill set, work ethic, communication skills, or whatever. We've had this conversation lots with others and our lawyers inform us that we can say this without legal exposure."







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          answered yesterday









          Dark Matter

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          • 41




            On the plus side, I've seen well qualified people that simply seemed like they wouldn't fit in. So it isn't always just a figure of speech. Which makes it easier to not worry too much about it and move on. And that's what you should probably do.
            – bytepusher
            yesterday






          • 16




            Indeed. It's a completely meaningless phrase, which means: absolutely, utterly nothing. It's exactly like getting a form letter.
            – Fattie
            yesterday






          • 3




            As employers we are obligated to ensure, as well as possible, that a new hire won't have an undue impact on the team they join, or on the working relationship of that team with clients - and, with some candidates, the lack of fit becomes painfully obvious. However, "lack of fit" does not mean "we won't tell you why" - we can be obligated by HR policy to give a specific explanation if asked. Giving such feedback, when policy requires it, is one of the more stressful parts of recruitment processes on the selection panels.
            – Peter
            yesterday








          • 4




            @Peter - HR might or might not want the phrase to be explained. My guess would be that HR would not want the phrase to be explained more. For example, HR surely wouldn't want a female candidate to be told that "We only want to hire a male," even though that may be true. The phrase purposely is non-descriptive and leaves the candidate with no indication if the reason is some bias or a deficiency.
            – MaxW
            yesterday






          • 3




            @MaxW - I an currently involved in a recruitment process, where the HR policy is that the selection panels offer unsuccessful candidates an opportunity to obtain feedback on why they were unsuccessful. If the candidates accept that offer of feedback, the feedback is required to be as specific as possible. Including an explanation of what led us to conclude "not a good fit".
            – Peter
            23 hours ago














          • 41




            On the plus side, I've seen well qualified people that simply seemed like they wouldn't fit in. So it isn't always just a figure of speech. Which makes it easier to not worry too much about it and move on. And that's what you should probably do.
            – bytepusher
            yesterday






          • 16




            Indeed. It's a completely meaningless phrase, which means: absolutely, utterly nothing. It's exactly like getting a form letter.
            – Fattie
            yesterday






          • 3




            As employers we are obligated to ensure, as well as possible, that a new hire won't have an undue impact on the team they join, or on the working relationship of that team with clients - and, with some candidates, the lack of fit becomes painfully obvious. However, "lack of fit" does not mean "we won't tell you why" - we can be obligated by HR policy to give a specific explanation if asked. Giving such feedback, when policy requires it, is one of the more stressful parts of recruitment processes on the selection panels.
            – Peter
            yesterday








          • 4




            @Peter - HR might or might not want the phrase to be explained. My guess would be that HR would not want the phrase to be explained more. For example, HR surely wouldn't want a female candidate to be told that "We only want to hire a male," even though that may be true. The phrase purposely is non-descriptive and leaves the candidate with no indication if the reason is some bias or a deficiency.
            – MaxW
            yesterday






          • 3




            @MaxW - I an currently involved in a recruitment process, where the HR policy is that the selection panels offer unsuccessful candidates an opportunity to obtain feedback on why they were unsuccessful. If the candidates accept that offer of feedback, the feedback is required to be as specific as possible. Including an explanation of what led us to conclude "not a good fit".
            – Peter
            23 hours ago








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          41




          On the plus side, I've seen well qualified people that simply seemed like they wouldn't fit in. So it isn't always just a figure of speech. Which makes it easier to not worry too much about it and move on. And that's what you should probably do.
          – bytepusher
          yesterday




          On the plus side, I've seen well qualified people that simply seemed like they wouldn't fit in. So it isn't always just a figure of speech. Which makes it easier to not worry too much about it and move on. And that's what you should probably do.
          – bytepusher
          yesterday




          16




          16




          Indeed. It's a completely meaningless phrase, which means: absolutely, utterly nothing. It's exactly like getting a form letter.
          – Fattie
          yesterday




          Indeed. It's a completely meaningless phrase, which means: absolutely, utterly nothing. It's exactly like getting a form letter.
          – Fattie
          yesterday




          3




          3




          As employers we are obligated to ensure, as well as possible, that a new hire won't have an undue impact on the team they join, or on the working relationship of that team with clients - and, with some candidates, the lack of fit becomes painfully obvious. However, "lack of fit" does not mean "we won't tell you why" - we can be obligated by HR policy to give a specific explanation if asked. Giving such feedback, when policy requires it, is one of the more stressful parts of recruitment processes on the selection panels.
          – Peter
          yesterday






          As employers we are obligated to ensure, as well as possible, that a new hire won't have an undue impact on the team they join, or on the working relationship of that team with clients - and, with some candidates, the lack of fit becomes painfully obvious. However, "lack of fit" does not mean "we won't tell you why" - we can be obligated by HR policy to give a specific explanation if asked. Giving such feedback, when policy requires it, is one of the more stressful parts of recruitment processes on the selection panels.
          – Peter
          yesterday






          4




          4




          @Peter - HR might or might not want the phrase to be explained. My guess would be that HR would not want the phrase to be explained more. For example, HR surely wouldn't want a female candidate to be told that "We only want to hire a male," even though that may be true. The phrase purposely is non-descriptive and leaves the candidate with no indication if the reason is some bias or a deficiency.
          – MaxW
          yesterday




          @Peter - HR might or might not want the phrase to be explained. My guess would be that HR would not want the phrase to be explained more. For example, HR surely wouldn't want a female candidate to be told that "We only want to hire a male," even though that may be true. The phrase purposely is non-descriptive and leaves the candidate with no indication if the reason is some bias or a deficiency.
          – MaxW
          yesterday




          3




          3




          @MaxW - I an currently involved in a recruitment process, where the HR policy is that the selection panels offer unsuccessful candidates an opportunity to obtain feedback on why they were unsuccessful. If the candidates accept that offer of feedback, the feedback is required to be as specific as possible. Including an explanation of what led us to conclude "not a good fit".
          – Peter
          23 hours ago




          @MaxW - I an currently involved in a recruitment process, where the HR policy is that the selection panels offer unsuccessful candidates an opportunity to obtain feedback on why they were unsuccessful. If the candidates accept that offer of feedback, the feedback is required to be as specific as possible. Including an explanation of what led us to conclude "not a good fit".
          – Peter
          23 hours ago













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          Adding a slightly different perspective: Fit is NOT an empty phrase but the single most important part of the hiring decision. The job of the interview team is to figure out whether the candidate is a "good fit" for the role. "Fit" breaks down into a bunch of different components




          1. Technical skills, stuff for the immediate role, adjacent and orthogonal skills.

          2. Experience, learning curve, time required to fill gaps

          3. General critical thinking, learning ability

          4. Cultural fit: communication style, management style, amount of hand holding required, personality, ego to skill ratio, etc.

          5. Career fit candidate: is that a logical step for the candidate or is she looking for something else and this is a stop gap

          6. Career fit employer: can we see a credible long term growth scenario for that person here.

          7. Family, personal stuff: relocation, commute, buy in from partner/family, etc.

          8. Money: do candidate goals and employer range overlap enough


          Any single one of these being out of whack can mean "not a fit" and, yes, that is the end of this application.



          In most cases "not a fit" is GOOD outcome. It simply represents the facts and hiring a person that's not a fit for any of the reasons above, just makes everyone miserable: colleagues, manager, and new hire tend to have a bad time and the final outcome is never good.



          I understand, it's frustrating to receive the "no fit" answer without further details. However, if you keep your eyes and ears open during they interview process and go mentally through your own fit check list, you can typically tell what's happening and why. You may actually come to the same conclusion yourself.






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            If "not a good fit" can mean anything, then it means nothing.
            – Peter
            13 hours ago






          • 1




            All very well and good but IRL the possibility of those meanings being intended by the phrase is just legal cover for the actual use of the phrase, which (as many have said) is simply "we don't like you and we don't want to tell you why". Maybe their decision is illegally discriminatory or maybe they're just worried about spurious litigation to that effect. But either way they need a 'placeholder phrase' that provides legal plausible deniability. That plausible deniability is the justifications you've listed.
            – benxyzzy
            12 hours ago






          • 5




            THIS. No need for conspiracy theories, most people are unfit for most jobs. If it wasn't the case, we wouldn't need interviews.
            – Agent_L
            11 hours ago










          • It is not the kiss of death from the employer, but a kiss of death for this particular position. You may still be a good fit for another position at the employer.
            – Ole Tange
            2 hours ago
















          40














          Adding a slightly different perspective: Fit is NOT an empty phrase but the single most important part of the hiring decision. The job of the interview team is to figure out whether the candidate is a "good fit" for the role. "Fit" breaks down into a bunch of different components




          1. Technical skills, stuff for the immediate role, adjacent and orthogonal skills.

          2. Experience, learning curve, time required to fill gaps

          3. General critical thinking, learning ability

          4. Cultural fit: communication style, management style, amount of hand holding required, personality, ego to skill ratio, etc.

          5. Career fit candidate: is that a logical step for the candidate or is she looking for something else and this is a stop gap

          6. Career fit employer: can we see a credible long term growth scenario for that person here.

          7. Family, personal stuff: relocation, commute, buy in from partner/family, etc.

          8. Money: do candidate goals and employer range overlap enough


          Any single one of these being out of whack can mean "not a fit" and, yes, that is the end of this application.



          In most cases "not a fit" is GOOD outcome. It simply represents the facts and hiring a person that's not a fit for any of the reasons above, just makes everyone miserable: colleagues, manager, and new hire tend to have a bad time and the final outcome is never good.



          I understand, it's frustrating to receive the "no fit" answer without further details. However, if you keep your eyes and ears open during they interview process and go mentally through your own fit check list, you can typically tell what's happening and why. You may actually come to the same conclusion yourself.






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          • 7




            If "not a good fit" can mean anything, then it means nothing.
            – Peter
            13 hours ago






          • 1




            All very well and good but IRL the possibility of those meanings being intended by the phrase is just legal cover for the actual use of the phrase, which (as many have said) is simply "we don't like you and we don't want to tell you why". Maybe their decision is illegally discriminatory or maybe they're just worried about spurious litigation to that effect. But either way they need a 'placeholder phrase' that provides legal plausible deniability. That plausible deniability is the justifications you've listed.
            – benxyzzy
            12 hours ago






          • 5




            THIS. No need for conspiracy theories, most people are unfit for most jobs. If it wasn't the case, we wouldn't need interviews.
            – Agent_L
            11 hours ago










          • It is not the kiss of death from the employer, but a kiss of death for this particular position. You may still be a good fit for another position at the employer.
            – Ole Tange
            2 hours ago














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          40








          40






          Adding a slightly different perspective: Fit is NOT an empty phrase but the single most important part of the hiring decision. The job of the interview team is to figure out whether the candidate is a "good fit" for the role. "Fit" breaks down into a bunch of different components




          1. Technical skills, stuff for the immediate role, adjacent and orthogonal skills.

          2. Experience, learning curve, time required to fill gaps

          3. General critical thinking, learning ability

          4. Cultural fit: communication style, management style, amount of hand holding required, personality, ego to skill ratio, etc.

          5. Career fit candidate: is that a logical step for the candidate or is she looking for something else and this is a stop gap

          6. Career fit employer: can we see a credible long term growth scenario for that person here.

          7. Family, personal stuff: relocation, commute, buy in from partner/family, etc.

          8. Money: do candidate goals and employer range overlap enough


          Any single one of these being out of whack can mean "not a fit" and, yes, that is the end of this application.



          In most cases "not a fit" is GOOD outcome. It simply represents the facts and hiring a person that's not a fit for any of the reasons above, just makes everyone miserable: colleagues, manager, and new hire tend to have a bad time and the final outcome is never good.



          I understand, it's frustrating to receive the "no fit" answer without further details. However, if you keep your eyes and ears open during they interview process and go mentally through your own fit check list, you can typically tell what's happening and why. You may actually come to the same conclusion yourself.






          share|improve this answer












          Adding a slightly different perspective: Fit is NOT an empty phrase but the single most important part of the hiring decision. The job of the interview team is to figure out whether the candidate is a "good fit" for the role. "Fit" breaks down into a bunch of different components




          1. Technical skills, stuff for the immediate role, adjacent and orthogonal skills.

          2. Experience, learning curve, time required to fill gaps

          3. General critical thinking, learning ability

          4. Cultural fit: communication style, management style, amount of hand holding required, personality, ego to skill ratio, etc.

          5. Career fit candidate: is that a logical step for the candidate or is she looking for something else and this is a stop gap

          6. Career fit employer: can we see a credible long term growth scenario for that person here.

          7. Family, personal stuff: relocation, commute, buy in from partner/family, etc.

          8. Money: do candidate goals and employer range overlap enough


          Any single one of these being out of whack can mean "not a fit" and, yes, that is the end of this application.



          In most cases "not a fit" is GOOD outcome. It simply represents the facts and hiring a person that's not a fit for any of the reasons above, just makes everyone miserable: colleagues, manager, and new hire tend to have a bad time and the final outcome is never good.



          I understand, it's frustrating to receive the "no fit" answer without further details. However, if you keep your eyes and ears open during they interview process and go mentally through your own fit check list, you can typically tell what's happening and why. You may actually come to the same conclusion yourself.







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          Hilmar

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          • 7




            If "not a good fit" can mean anything, then it means nothing.
            – Peter
            13 hours ago






          • 1




            All very well and good but IRL the possibility of those meanings being intended by the phrase is just legal cover for the actual use of the phrase, which (as many have said) is simply "we don't like you and we don't want to tell you why". Maybe their decision is illegally discriminatory or maybe they're just worried about spurious litigation to that effect. But either way they need a 'placeholder phrase' that provides legal plausible deniability. That plausible deniability is the justifications you've listed.
            – benxyzzy
            12 hours ago






          • 5




            THIS. No need for conspiracy theories, most people are unfit for most jobs. If it wasn't the case, we wouldn't need interviews.
            – Agent_L
            11 hours ago










          • It is not the kiss of death from the employer, but a kiss of death for this particular position. You may still be a good fit for another position at the employer.
            – Ole Tange
            2 hours ago














          • 7




            If "not a good fit" can mean anything, then it means nothing.
            – Peter
            13 hours ago






          • 1




            All very well and good but IRL the possibility of those meanings being intended by the phrase is just legal cover for the actual use of the phrase, which (as many have said) is simply "we don't like you and we don't want to tell you why". Maybe their decision is illegally discriminatory or maybe they're just worried about spurious litigation to that effect. But either way they need a 'placeholder phrase' that provides legal plausible deniability. That plausible deniability is the justifications you've listed.
            – benxyzzy
            12 hours ago






          • 5




            THIS. No need for conspiracy theories, most people are unfit for most jobs. If it wasn't the case, we wouldn't need interviews.
            – Agent_L
            11 hours ago










          • It is not the kiss of death from the employer, but a kiss of death for this particular position. You may still be a good fit for another position at the employer.
            – Ole Tange
            2 hours ago








          7




          7




          If "not a good fit" can mean anything, then it means nothing.
          – Peter
          13 hours ago




          If "not a good fit" can mean anything, then it means nothing.
          – Peter
          13 hours ago




          1




          1




          All very well and good but IRL the possibility of those meanings being intended by the phrase is just legal cover for the actual use of the phrase, which (as many have said) is simply "we don't like you and we don't want to tell you why". Maybe their decision is illegally discriminatory or maybe they're just worried about spurious litigation to that effect. But either way they need a 'placeholder phrase' that provides legal plausible deniability. That plausible deniability is the justifications you've listed.
          – benxyzzy
          12 hours ago




          All very well and good but IRL the possibility of those meanings being intended by the phrase is just legal cover for the actual use of the phrase, which (as many have said) is simply "we don't like you and we don't want to tell you why". Maybe their decision is illegally discriminatory or maybe they're just worried about spurious litigation to that effect. But either way they need a 'placeholder phrase' that provides legal plausible deniability. That plausible deniability is the justifications you've listed.
          – benxyzzy
          12 hours ago




          5




          5




          THIS. No need for conspiracy theories, most people are unfit for most jobs. If it wasn't the case, we wouldn't need interviews.
          – Agent_L
          11 hours ago




          THIS. No need for conspiracy theories, most people are unfit for most jobs. If it wasn't the case, we wouldn't need interviews.
          – Agent_L
          11 hours ago












          It is not the kiss of death from the employer, but a kiss of death for this particular position. You may still be a good fit for another position at the employer.
          – Ole Tange
          2 hours ago




          It is not the kiss of death from the employer, but a kiss of death for this particular position. You may still be a good fit for another position at the employer.
          – Ole Tange
          2 hours ago











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          I would consider it the kiss of death in an interview process.



          Odds are you believe in something that is fundamentally opposed within the organization, or there is some other reason (one the company would prefer to keep unsaid to avoid bad press) which is being expressed but not voiced.



          I'd try to mentally recall the entire interview. Who did the talking? When did the facial expressions change to indicate displeasure? What was said before that happened, and if that couldn't be misconstrued badly, how was it said?



          It's not a sure-fire formula for figuring out where something went wrong. It's just a starting place, adjust it to fit your needs.






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            I would consider it the kiss of death in an interview process.



            Odds are you believe in something that is fundamentally opposed within the organization, or there is some other reason (one the company would prefer to keep unsaid to avoid bad press) which is being expressed but not voiced.



            I'd try to mentally recall the entire interview. Who did the talking? When did the facial expressions change to indicate displeasure? What was said before that happened, and if that couldn't be misconstrued badly, how was it said?



            It's not a sure-fire formula for figuring out where something went wrong. It's just a starting place, adjust it to fit your needs.






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              14






              I would consider it the kiss of death in an interview process.



              Odds are you believe in something that is fundamentally opposed within the organization, or there is some other reason (one the company would prefer to keep unsaid to avoid bad press) which is being expressed but not voiced.



              I'd try to mentally recall the entire interview. Who did the talking? When did the facial expressions change to indicate displeasure? What was said before that happened, and if that couldn't be misconstrued badly, how was it said?



              It's not a sure-fire formula for figuring out where something went wrong. It's just a starting place, adjust it to fit your needs.






              share|improve this answer












              I would consider it the kiss of death in an interview process.



              Odds are you believe in something that is fundamentally opposed within the organization, or there is some other reason (one the company would prefer to keep unsaid to avoid bad press) which is being expressed but not voiced.



              I'd try to mentally recall the entire interview. Who did the talking? When did the facial expressions change to indicate displeasure? What was said before that happened, and if that couldn't be misconstrued badly, how was it said?



              It's not a sure-fire formula for figuring out where something went wrong. It's just a starting place, adjust it to fit your needs.







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              Edwin Buck

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                  Without further explanation, "You won't be a good fit" is as generic as it could be, and it is a kiss of death, unless you are assertive enough to ask questions (and persevere in doing so until you get answers).



                  As you have not much to lose anymore, you can take the risk to ask anything, like




                  • What would it take to fit in better?

                  • Do you see a mismatch with the function, the team or the company culture?

                  • Is there a different team or function in your company in which I would fit better?

                  • Do you know a company in your industry whose company culture would fit me better?


                  Beware you are in an exceptional position now: you do have access to a person who knows the industry. That person sees him/herself as the one who turned you down and would be much happier to see him/herself as the one who gave you advice.



                  Do both of you a favor and act now.



                  Update:



                  My optimism gets a lot of negative feed back, mainly from people that are afraid the hiring manager or recruiter you contact might not appreciate being bothered or even questioned by you. I aggree this is a risk, but it is one worth taking.



                  It is a risk



                  because indeed, some recruiters and hiring managers only see you as a resource, which accidentaly is human. They don't care about you, not when you get the job and even less when you don't.
                  If they remember you needlesly bothering them in the past, they will reject you in the future.



                  But the riks is worth taking



                  because other recruiters and hiring managers see you as a human, which might become a resource. They not only like to help humans, they also know humans are capable of improving themselves using feedback.
                  If they remember you valuing their feedback in the past, they will valuate your effort to fit in in the future.



                  I don't mind burning bridges to the first type of recruiter while building bridges to the second type. They will propose me jobs in which I will be productive and happy.






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                    I'm compelled to downvote too. There are things to lose and no, candidate cannot take the rist to ask anything. It is not professional and if the hiring manager answers some of these questions it might give enough grounds for a lawsuit as stated in other comments. The hiring manager won't be happier to give you advice, and your fourth bullet point might be misinterpreted as a referral. "both of you a favour[sic]?" I bet the hiring manager has a ton of other interviews/work to do besides doing free consulting for a failed candidate. I'm actually downvoting after writing my comment.
                    – Mindwin
                    yesterday






                  • 4




                    @DirkHorsten Maybe you should consider why you keep needing advice from outplacement consultants. (Hint: their basic objective is to earn money for themselves, not to find you a permanent job).
                    – alephzero
                    yesterday






                  • 2




                    I replaced the word Random with Generic. I suspect your answer will be better recieved now.
                    – IDrinkandIKnowThings
                    yesterday






                  • 6




                    I don't understand the downvotes. Asking what a candidate could have done better or differently is paramount to self-improvement.
                    – Cypher
                    yesterday






                  • 2




                    @Mindwin What is there to lose?
                    – John K
                    yesterday
















                  7














                  Without further explanation, "You won't be a good fit" is as generic as it could be, and it is a kiss of death, unless you are assertive enough to ask questions (and persevere in doing so until you get answers).



                  As you have not much to lose anymore, you can take the risk to ask anything, like




                  • What would it take to fit in better?

                  • Do you see a mismatch with the function, the team or the company culture?

                  • Is there a different team or function in your company in which I would fit better?

                  • Do you know a company in your industry whose company culture would fit me better?


                  Beware you are in an exceptional position now: you do have access to a person who knows the industry. That person sees him/herself as the one who turned you down and would be much happier to see him/herself as the one who gave you advice.



                  Do both of you a favor and act now.



                  Update:



                  My optimism gets a lot of negative feed back, mainly from people that are afraid the hiring manager or recruiter you contact might not appreciate being bothered or even questioned by you. I aggree this is a risk, but it is one worth taking.



                  It is a risk



                  because indeed, some recruiters and hiring managers only see you as a resource, which accidentaly is human. They don't care about you, not when you get the job and even less when you don't.
                  If they remember you needlesly bothering them in the past, they will reject you in the future.



                  But the riks is worth taking



                  because other recruiters and hiring managers see you as a human, which might become a resource. They not only like to help humans, they also know humans are capable of improving themselves using feedback.
                  If they remember you valuing their feedback in the past, they will valuate your effort to fit in in the future.



                  I don't mind burning bridges to the first type of recruiter while building bridges to the second type. They will propose me jobs in which I will be productive and happy.






                  share|improve this answer



















                  • 8




                    I'm compelled to downvote too. There are things to lose and no, candidate cannot take the rist to ask anything. It is not professional and if the hiring manager answers some of these questions it might give enough grounds for a lawsuit as stated in other comments. The hiring manager won't be happier to give you advice, and your fourth bullet point might be misinterpreted as a referral. "both of you a favour[sic]?" I bet the hiring manager has a ton of other interviews/work to do besides doing free consulting for a failed candidate. I'm actually downvoting after writing my comment.
                    – Mindwin
                    yesterday






                  • 4




                    @DirkHorsten Maybe you should consider why you keep needing advice from outplacement consultants. (Hint: their basic objective is to earn money for themselves, not to find you a permanent job).
                    – alephzero
                    yesterday






                  • 2




                    I replaced the word Random with Generic. I suspect your answer will be better recieved now.
                    – IDrinkandIKnowThings
                    yesterday






                  • 6




                    I don't understand the downvotes. Asking what a candidate could have done better or differently is paramount to self-improvement.
                    – Cypher
                    yesterday






                  • 2




                    @Mindwin What is there to lose?
                    – John K
                    yesterday














                  7












                  7








                  7






                  Without further explanation, "You won't be a good fit" is as generic as it could be, and it is a kiss of death, unless you are assertive enough to ask questions (and persevere in doing so until you get answers).



                  As you have not much to lose anymore, you can take the risk to ask anything, like




                  • What would it take to fit in better?

                  • Do you see a mismatch with the function, the team or the company culture?

                  • Is there a different team or function in your company in which I would fit better?

                  • Do you know a company in your industry whose company culture would fit me better?


                  Beware you are in an exceptional position now: you do have access to a person who knows the industry. That person sees him/herself as the one who turned you down and would be much happier to see him/herself as the one who gave you advice.



                  Do both of you a favor and act now.



                  Update:



                  My optimism gets a lot of negative feed back, mainly from people that are afraid the hiring manager or recruiter you contact might not appreciate being bothered or even questioned by you. I aggree this is a risk, but it is one worth taking.



                  It is a risk



                  because indeed, some recruiters and hiring managers only see you as a resource, which accidentaly is human. They don't care about you, not when you get the job and even less when you don't.
                  If they remember you needlesly bothering them in the past, they will reject you in the future.



                  But the riks is worth taking



                  because other recruiters and hiring managers see you as a human, which might become a resource. They not only like to help humans, they also know humans are capable of improving themselves using feedback.
                  If they remember you valuing their feedback in the past, they will valuate your effort to fit in in the future.



                  I don't mind burning bridges to the first type of recruiter while building bridges to the second type. They will propose me jobs in which I will be productive and happy.






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                  Without further explanation, "You won't be a good fit" is as generic as it could be, and it is a kiss of death, unless you are assertive enough to ask questions (and persevere in doing so until you get answers).



                  As you have not much to lose anymore, you can take the risk to ask anything, like




                  • What would it take to fit in better?

                  • Do you see a mismatch with the function, the team or the company culture?

                  • Is there a different team or function in your company in which I would fit better?

                  • Do you know a company in your industry whose company culture would fit me better?


                  Beware you are in an exceptional position now: you do have access to a person who knows the industry. That person sees him/herself as the one who turned you down and would be much happier to see him/herself as the one who gave you advice.



                  Do both of you a favor and act now.



                  Update:



                  My optimism gets a lot of negative feed back, mainly from people that are afraid the hiring manager or recruiter you contact might not appreciate being bothered or even questioned by you. I aggree this is a risk, but it is one worth taking.



                  It is a risk



                  because indeed, some recruiters and hiring managers only see you as a resource, which accidentaly is human. They don't care about you, not when you get the job and even less when you don't.
                  If they remember you needlesly bothering them in the past, they will reject you in the future.



                  But the riks is worth taking



                  because other recruiters and hiring managers see you as a human, which might become a resource. They not only like to help humans, they also know humans are capable of improving themselves using feedback.
                  If they remember you valuing their feedback in the past, they will valuate your effort to fit in in the future.



                  I don't mind burning bridges to the first type of recruiter while building bridges to the second type. They will propose me jobs in which I will be productive and happy.







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                    I'm compelled to downvote too. There are things to lose and no, candidate cannot take the rist to ask anything. It is not professional and if the hiring manager answers some of these questions it might give enough grounds for a lawsuit as stated in other comments. The hiring manager won't be happier to give you advice, and your fourth bullet point might be misinterpreted as a referral. "both of you a favour[sic]?" I bet the hiring manager has a ton of other interviews/work to do besides doing free consulting for a failed candidate. I'm actually downvoting after writing my comment.
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                    @DirkHorsten Maybe you should consider why you keep needing advice from outplacement consultants. (Hint: their basic objective is to earn money for themselves, not to find you a permanent job).
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                    I replaced the word Random with Generic. I suspect your answer will be better recieved now.
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                    I don't understand the downvotes. Asking what a candidate could have done better or differently is paramount to self-improvement.
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                    @Mindwin What is there to lose?
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                    I'm compelled to downvote too. There are things to lose and no, candidate cannot take the rist to ask anything. It is not professional and if the hiring manager answers some of these questions it might give enough grounds for a lawsuit as stated in other comments. The hiring manager won't be happier to give you advice, and your fourth bullet point might be misinterpreted as a referral. "both of you a favour[sic]?" I bet the hiring manager has a ton of other interviews/work to do besides doing free consulting for a failed candidate. I'm actually downvoting after writing my comment.
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                    @DirkHorsten Maybe you should consider why you keep needing advice from outplacement consultants. (Hint: their basic objective is to earn money for themselves, not to find you a permanent job).
                    – alephzero
                    yesterday






                  • 2




                    I replaced the word Random with Generic. I suspect your answer will be better recieved now.
                    – IDrinkandIKnowThings
                    yesterday






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                    I don't understand the downvotes. Asking what a candidate could have done better or differently is paramount to self-improvement.
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                    @Mindwin What is there to lose?
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                  I'm compelled to downvote too. There are things to lose and no, candidate cannot take the rist to ask anything. It is not professional and if the hiring manager answers some of these questions it might give enough grounds for a lawsuit as stated in other comments. The hiring manager won't be happier to give you advice, and your fourth bullet point might be misinterpreted as a referral. "both of you a favour[sic]?" I bet the hiring manager has a ton of other interviews/work to do besides doing free consulting for a failed candidate. I'm actually downvoting after writing my comment.
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                  yesterday




                  I'm compelled to downvote too. There are things to lose and no, candidate cannot take the rist to ask anything. It is not professional and if the hiring manager answers some of these questions it might give enough grounds for a lawsuit as stated in other comments. The hiring manager won't be happier to give you advice, and your fourth bullet point might be misinterpreted as a referral. "both of you a favour[sic]?" I bet the hiring manager has a ton of other interviews/work to do besides doing free consulting for a failed candidate. I'm actually downvoting after writing my comment.
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                  @DirkHorsten Maybe you should consider why you keep needing advice from outplacement consultants. (Hint: their basic objective is to earn money for themselves, not to find you a permanent job).
                  – alephzero
                  yesterday




                  @DirkHorsten Maybe you should consider why you keep needing advice from outplacement consultants. (Hint: their basic objective is to earn money for themselves, not to find you a permanent job).
                  – alephzero
                  yesterday




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                  I replaced the word Random with Generic. I suspect your answer will be better recieved now.
                  – IDrinkandIKnowThings
                  yesterday




                  I replaced the word Random with Generic. I suspect your answer will be better recieved now.
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                  yesterday




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                  I don't understand the downvotes. Asking what a candidate could have done better or differently is paramount to self-improvement.
                  – Cypher
                  yesterday




                  I don't understand the downvotes. Asking what a candidate could have done better or differently is paramount to self-improvement.
                  – Cypher
                  yesterday




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                  @Mindwin What is there to lose?
                  – John K
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                  @Mindwin What is there to lose?
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                  I have used the "Good fit" line a few times. Sometimes it's a personality thing (very Type A, etc), sometimes I felt like the person was overqualified (and I risked having a bored developer) for the role with no likelihood of the requirements changing, etc. For one person, I knew his personality would be a complete clash with what the CEO was used to (loud, very opinionated, very blunt, very chatty, etc -- qualities (other than loud) I would have hired for if it was my company).






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                    I have used the "Good fit" line a few times. Sometimes it's a personality thing (very Type A, etc), sometimes I felt like the person was overqualified (and I risked having a bored developer) for the role with no likelihood of the requirements changing, etc. For one person, I knew his personality would be a complete clash with what the CEO was used to (loud, very opinionated, very blunt, very chatty, etc -- qualities (other than loud) I would have hired for if it was my company).






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                      I have used the "Good fit" line a few times. Sometimes it's a personality thing (very Type A, etc), sometimes I felt like the person was overqualified (and I risked having a bored developer) for the role with no likelihood of the requirements changing, etc. For one person, I knew his personality would be a complete clash with what the CEO was used to (loud, very opinionated, very blunt, very chatty, etc -- qualities (other than loud) I would have hired for if it was my company).






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                          It does not have to be the total kiss of death, but it probably is.




                          • A candidate has to match a gap in the team. That covers hard skills, soft skills, and personality. Even if workers in a team are nominally equals, there will be leaders and followers, attention to detail and attention to the big picture, people who jolt the team out of the daily grind and people who take care of the daily chores.

                            It could be that you do not fit now, but that there will be a phone call or email six months from now asking if you are still free. Because there is a different gap then.

                          • A company might have multiple gaps in multiple teams, and "not a good fit" is the preface to handing the candidate to another team than the one he or she applied for. In that case they'd make this very clear.


                          But most likely they're telling the candidate that there will be no job offer.






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                            It does not have to be the total kiss of death, but it probably is.




                            • A candidate has to match a gap in the team. That covers hard skills, soft skills, and personality. Even if workers in a team are nominally equals, there will be leaders and followers, attention to detail and attention to the big picture, people who jolt the team out of the daily grind and people who take care of the daily chores.

                              It could be that you do not fit now, but that there will be a phone call or email six months from now asking if you are still free. Because there is a different gap then.

                            • A company might have multiple gaps in multiple teams, and "not a good fit" is the preface to handing the candidate to another team than the one he or she applied for. In that case they'd make this very clear.


                            But most likely they're telling the candidate that there will be no job offer.






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                              It does not have to be the total kiss of death, but it probably is.




                              • A candidate has to match a gap in the team. That covers hard skills, soft skills, and personality. Even if workers in a team are nominally equals, there will be leaders and followers, attention to detail and attention to the big picture, people who jolt the team out of the daily grind and people who take care of the daily chores.

                                It could be that you do not fit now, but that there will be a phone call or email six months from now asking if you are still free. Because there is a different gap then.

                              • A company might have multiple gaps in multiple teams, and "not a good fit" is the preface to handing the candidate to another team than the one he or she applied for. In that case they'd make this very clear.


                              But most likely they're telling the candidate that there will be no job offer.






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                              It does not have to be the total kiss of death, but it probably is.




                              • A candidate has to match a gap in the team. That covers hard skills, soft skills, and personality. Even if workers in a team are nominally equals, there will be leaders and followers, attention to detail and attention to the big picture, people who jolt the team out of the daily grind and people who take care of the daily chores.

                                It could be that you do not fit now, but that there will be a phone call or email six months from now asking if you are still free. Because there is a different gap then.

                              • A company might have multiple gaps in multiple teams, and "not a good fit" is the preface to handing the candidate to another team than the one he or she applied for. In that case they'd make this very clear.


                              But most likely they're telling the candidate that there will be no job offer.







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                                  It basically means "We have enough class to respond to you, but not enough bravery to tell you specifically why you weren't hired."



                                  Count yourself luck they didn't just try to Ghost you.






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                                    It basically means "We have enough class to respond to you, but not enough bravery to tell you specifically why you weren't hired."



                                    Count yourself luck they didn't just try to Ghost you.






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                                      It basically means "We have enough class to respond to you, but not enough bravery to tell you specifically why you weren't hired."



                                      Count yourself luck they didn't just try to Ghost you.






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                                      It basically means "We have enough class to respond to you, but not enough bravery to tell you specifically why you weren't hired."



                                      Count yourself luck they didn't just try to Ghost you.







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